Chapter 16, page 26

September 26th, 2019, 11:00 pm

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Merceneiress September 26th, 2019, 1:30 pm
Hey folks, I've gotten to a point in the story where I have been thinking, "where should I go from here?" I kind of feel like Tirin on this page, tired (due to outside forces in my life) --- but then I thought, let's see what you guys think --- if you would like to vote on which choice Tirin should make, go to https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-should-do-30153871 The poll is open to the public (free).
Guesticus (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 1:04 am
@Merceneiress: echoing what Dragonrider said below: if you need a break to recharge or deal with real life, take it, your true followers will still be here (voting every day, even without a new invotive :D )
WormRunner (Guest) September 27th, 2019, 1:29 am
Let her decide Trust your characters. Let Tirin decide. It will work.
Sleel (Guest) September 27th, 2019, 1:44 am
Kinda leaning to a combination of terminating her and letting Abby win. Some sort of exposing her for the shitstain in the underwear of humanity that she is, tacitly usurping the power of the throne, and then letting Abby kill her. As slowly and as painfully as she can manage. Letting her experience all the anguish and suffering she has inflicted on her victims through the years.

I do NOT tend toward the forgive and forget side of things when it comes to major transgressions. I am very much retributive.

Sleel

(Don't recall and can't be assed to recall my login info for patreon so as to vote, spiced rum makes me bitchy (hence retributive) and indifferent, so can't be assed :P.)

Hell, if you want an example of retribution, this is one I think is appropriate for child murderers/abusers, and terrorists. Who I feel should be executed in a manner that visits upon them all the suffering they inflicted on their victims:
Give them the kind of drug used to stabilize patients going into shock (or spell here). Wouldn't want them dying to soon and escaping their justice.
FLAY them alive. Head to toe, including their eyelids. Douse them in lemon juice and salt, sealing it in with honey.
Cover their lidless eyes in fluid filled goggles so their eyeballs don't dry out.
Stake them out on an ant hill, positioned so they have no choice but to watch the CCTV monitors arrayed around them, (and because they have no eye lids they can't NOT look)and are forced to watch as they are eaten alive in front of their own eyes.
I think that meets out all the suffering such ppl visit upon their victims in their lives. And they should experience all the misery they put their victims through, while they die.
Lurker314 (Guest) September 27th, 2019, 3:06 am
I'm with Sleel So...Tirin prime seems to me to be tired. REALLY tired. The idea of becoming responsible for the spice does NOT appeal to her right now.

But... She's not come this far to let her family go, especially little T.

Assuming that Salock can be taken down by that set-up blast, allowing Abby to see through the illusion is probably the least intrusive solution.

Escape is no solution, Salock will pursue. She must be handled sooner or later. Terminating her at some prior point will have a lot of rewind issues. Handing over to Sariel is a problem because Sariel does not have any connection to family. For either option.

Now, for kill verse KO. I think Abby wants Salock to suffer. I don't know if she is as vindictive & as Sleel, but yeah.
Caplinger September 27th, 2019, 1:46 pm
Futher data required. I don't care how tired Tirin is, she would still like a hint about her partner's idea of "as I see fit". That said, they have come a long way together in a short time, and Tirin is going to favor letting go and giving her free reign.

That said, I hope Salock ends up in a mirror in a dark closet for a long, long time. I hope Tirin ends up with the beautiful woman who loves her and is holding her now... and I hope Little Tirin hooks up with Bobby, sooner rather than later, and Dad ends up with his Admirer even sooner than that.

But those are my hopes. Like real life, stories don't always go the way you want but they always go the way they must. Keep writing!
Guesticus (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 1:00 am
@Caplinger: yes, was thinking that as well: find out what Sari would do, and then decide

Personally, going from the options as we have them, would go with Option One: reverse the outcome, the way it should have been if Bitchlock hadn't cheated and used one of her assistants to fight for her (there is no way in smelly hell that Lil Tir would have fought Mirby)

Oh, and technically, Sari is PeeTee (or at least a clone of her), it would be the same as PeeTee 'hooking up' with Lil Tir (obviously once Lil Tir became Legal Tir :P )
And it's Billy, not Bobby :)
StarSword September 27th, 2019, 2:50 pm
Screw Salock Weaken Salock so Mirby can take her out. Then lock down the time spice for good.

The future can take care of itself. As a famous Jaffa once said, "Ours is the only reality of consequence."
Dragonrider September 27th, 2019, 5:19 pm
Not on Patreon due to fixed income budget however; FWIW Been with you since the start,In my Never Humble Opinion, take a break and recharge your batteries. Then come back with Time Spice save the fallen and about to be fallen and put Bitchlock in orbit without the benefit of a space suit. Tirin has never quit and her basic character makeup won't allow it.
Guesticus (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 1:06 am
@Dragonrider: same, not on Patreon (far too many deserving webics, not enough to cover them all), butt have bought an image pack awhile back, may check out if there is anything new
And definitely will support any Kickstarter campaign to get these made into physical books :D
robnot (Guest) September 29th, 2019, 9:35 am
third: same 'fixed (broken) income'..
IF you think you need 'time off' TAKE IT.! we will "gladly" wait..we wood rather have you healthy an hail,, than pushing out crap, because you gotta, an burning yourself out.!!!
an back to the "poll" im all for go back an end Bitzlock quickly.. Then prove to queen what she was doing,,, even make "traitor" was goaded into it by bitzy..
FilledWithLoveAndEvil (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 1:29 am
Time Spice Girls should "Run Lola Run", to Kitty Land to have much fun.
From After Dark to the "Edge of Tomorrow" they'd stay, then repeat until satiated till "Groundhog Day".

Maybe try 1-page or even 1-panel 'What if...' alternate endings?
They don't have to be serious.
E Hines (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 7:36 am
I agree with Dragonrider, et al., re taking time to deal with events in the real world and to recharge. We'll be here.
Regarding what to do next in this story arc, keep in mind Borg's successfully freezing time for the two guards (interesting that none of them have standard issue swords, but that's a bit of trivium). She easily can toss a bit to freeze time in the region of Salock and then for Samson's region. She then can gather up those folks, and they can make their escape, unfreezing as they go.
Story flows from there, as the fugitives deal with Salock and the planet's governance.
Eventually, Tirin the Elder, Tirin the Younger, and the rest will need to deal with Borg--she's a dangerous one.
Eric Hines
Guesticus (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 10:41 pm
@E Hines: yes, Sari is dangerous, butt she's not a threat
E Hines (Guest) September 29th, 2019, 7:04 am
@Guesticus: Her fanaticism makes her a threat.
Eric Hines
Guesticus (Guest) October 1st, 2019, 7:23 am
@E Hines: again, a threat to whom?

And who amongst the main cast (and half the side cast) isn't a threat to someone!
quarktime (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 9:47 am
This is a bog-standard "Chinese obligation" style responsibility issue. When you boot out the previous person in charge of massive cosmic power because they're irresponsible slime, you're pretty much opted to take over for them since YOU were the one to judge them in the first place.

Basically, don't judge someone else unless you're ready and able to take their place. Tirin is perfectly able, the only question is "ready".

Her entire life, in all its reflections and echoes, has been rebelling against the irresponsible in charge of power beyond their maturity. She rebels because she can't respect the ones in power. She clearly doesn't believe that someone should be above her if she's better than them. That she's usually better than them only makes this more critical.

She's better than the Slorn. She's the only one who can be trusted with this responsibility. She needs to understand that ready or not, the responsibility is here and she must either take it or betray what her life's focus has always been, and that her duty, to herself if to nobody else, is to pick up the damn load and CARRY it.
Guesticus (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 10:28 pm
@quarktime: thank you for this, had been meaning to discuss it butt kept forgetting :(

Personally feel, that because PeeTee doesn't want the job, and doesn't want to be Slorn, makes her a top candidate for the job
For one thing, she won't be alone and she will actually listen to her friends
quarktime (Guest) September 29th, 2019, 10:03 am
@Guesticus: It's a truism of political science that the best person for a job is the one who can do it the best AND doesn't really want it. They'll be less likely to abuse their power.

There's another layer to this, my own theory on power. From a book "Economics and Power", it's stated that the definition of power is the ability to control the actions of others. All mechanisms of power are essentially using fear to make someone do what you want. A typical tactic is to single out someone as an example, so others can see how THEY'LL be treated if they go against you. That gives you some power. Then you use THAT power to make more people afraid to refuse to do what you want. This builds up and up and up. Trouble is, it's top-heavy. You're so concentrated on controlling others, you don't consolidate your own position EXCEPT by increasing others' fear. Your power is like a great pyramid balanced on its point on a sand dune. You have to keep exercising your power to keep it from toppling.

I make a distinction between power and STRENGTH. Strength is harder to build. It takes longer, takes more dedication, and shows results more slowly. But strength builds the pyramid point UP, on actual bedrock foundations. It's nearly impossible to break, much less topple. That's because power is mastery over OTHERS, while strength is mastery over YOURSELF. Power is turned without, while strength is turned within. Power has no control over a strong person because you can't make a strong person afraid of you. What makes someone submit to power is fear that they won't be able to withstand what you do to them, that they're really weaker than they think, but don't know it for sure. It's that self-doubt that makes them succumb. But strength is mastering yourself and knowing yourself. If you know yourself you don't doubt yourself so easily, and can't be made to fear the unknown about yourself.

This is why the powerful will frequently attack the strong through who they care about, not directly. Think Superman II, and Zod attacking the humans to make Superman submit. Superman was STRONG. Zod was POWERFUL. He couldn't beat Superman directly, so he tried to do it indirectly. But he ultimately lost because Superman had expected that, and made Zod think he was giving in, but was really tricking Zod into destroying his own powers.

Tirin has always hated power. She hates how it is used to control others through fear. She values strength more, because strength not only builds oneself, but inspires others to build themselves of their own free will. That's how you build a truly great society. But you have to turn away from the easy path of using your advantages to make others afraid of you, you have to turn those advantages inward to master the ways in which you are afraid of yourself.

That's why she's best suited to guard the time spice. She can deny its potential to be used for power and corruption, and can turn its use instead to strength and inspiration.
Guesticus (Guest) September 30th, 2019, 12:43 am
@quarktime: good points, except, you can 'control' people without using fear or domination, treat them with respect and they will do almost anything for you

You talking about the Reeve Superman (was that "Superman II" or "III")?
Or the crap recent one where Soupcans snapped Zod's neck?
quarktime (Guest) September 30th, 2019, 7:33 am
@Guesticus: It isn't "control" if they choose to follow you because you've convinced them. Control implies coercion. You're not coercing someone if they agree with you freely.

If I meant "Man of Steel", I'd call it that. I meant the Reeve Superman II. After that one, the Reeve films went downhill, including the execrable "Quest for Peace" with Richard Pryor.
Guesticus (Guest) October 1st, 2019, 7:35 am
@quarktime: just because they agree with you, doesn't mean they are not being controlled, because they are still doing what you tell them to do
E Hines (Guest) September 28th, 2019, 10:35 pm
@quarktime: The problem with this "Chinese obligation" is the tremendous conflict of interest it creates: denounce someone in order to take their job vs denounce someone and being better fitted to take their job.
Which is true cannot be known by anyone outside, and usually not even by the denouncer.
Eric Hines
E Hines (Guest) September 29th, 2019, 7:06 am
One more thought on the direction of this story: keep in mind that the current sequence opened with Tirin the Younger lying on the ground saying she's dying.
She plainly lived to tell this tale, so she, at least, plainly survives the dual.
Eric Hines
Guesticus (Guest) October 1st, 2019, 7:29 am
@E Hines: there was also no sign of PeeTee nor Sari behind Mirby, and from that angle, they should have been visible
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