Chapter 16, page 3

April 18th, 2019, 11:00 pm

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Dragonrider April 18th, 2019, 11:52 pm
She's not making friends and allies. At this rate a food taster and full body armor gonna be the order of the day.
Merceneiress April 21st, 2019, 10:54 am
@Dragonrider: Indeed, but if she remains teacher's pet she may be protected.
Ganurath (Guest) April 19th, 2019, 12:20 am
Is that a non-live action teenager with acne? One where the acne doesn't exist as part of an over the top caricature of teenagers, or a specific subculture thereof? I never thought I'd see the day!
Merceneiress April 21st, 2019, 10:56 am
@Ganurath: There are so many gorgeous models with perfect complexion available on DAZ 3D, but she was perfect! Even the best magical creams can't get rid of all of her acne!
Guesticus (Guest) April 19th, 2019, 2:07 am
This is where only reading what they say is a drawback: can't 'hear' tone with text
Guesticus (Guest) April 19th, 2019, 2:19 am
Itsy and Bitsy need have no fear of Lil Tir taking their position as Prime Minister: she's going straight for Queen :D
Merceneiress April 21st, 2019, 10:57 am
@Guesticus: haha -- hmmm...more food for thought regarding future scripting...
robnot (Guest) April 20th, 2019, 8:55 am
no , no , no .. itsy & bitsy are doing it wrong... as with any 'magic user' , the more armor you ware, the less potent your magic....
heh jk..
Guesticus (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 6:15 am
@robnot: they are actually wearing less than Lil Tir :P
E Hines (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 8:55 am
@robnot: No Eritha looks more POed than anything, perhaps because she--a Fifth Year--has to do the same drill as a two-month tyro, and do it standing next to her to boot. Grace, on the other hand, looks like she's just walking through the drill.
Tirin the Younger seems to be the only one actually focused and concentrating. She still has, though, a child's level of tact, and that triggered the lazy snowflake.
Be an interesting "fight" between the snowflake and the Master-Magician-to-be, too. It would move quickly beyond mere fisticuffs.
Eric Hines
Merceneiress April 21st, 2019, 10:58 am
@E Hines: Yes, that would be quite a fight...hmm (more ideas for future scripting)...
Guesticus (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 3:45 pm
@E Hines: believe you may have gotten the Magi-brats mixed up:- Grace is the one who got pissed off at Lil Tir
E Hines (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 4:18 pm
@Guesticus: Yep. The snowflake.
Eric Hines
Guesticus (Guest) April 23rd, 2019, 10:32 am
@E Hines: just, you said Eritha was the one PO'ed and Grace was basically 'just walking through the drill'
E Hines (Guest) April 23rd, 2019, 1:46 pm
@Guesticus: Yep. Making Grace the snowflake.
Eric Hines
robnot (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 9:15 am
hence; jk = joking .. in D&D any armor (non-magical) on a magic user, lessened the magic ..
an Eritha has the most, followed by lil Trin, then Grace with shoulders, an possibly gloves...
Merceneiress April 21st, 2019, 10:53 am
@robnot: Yes, that was the definite rule for D&D! Eritha has compromised by wearing armor that gives her 3+ shield.
Guesticus (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 3:50 pm
@Merceneiress: never did agree with that stupid 'rule'
If it was about 'natural' materials and 'ease of movement of limbs', then a simple sleeve-less leather jerkin would work: it's natural (being made from animal skin), it has no sleeves (to interfere with 'finger-twiddling') and not too tight (to prevent breathing 'problems' when it comes the vocal components)
Similar reason why having them restricted to stave or short dagger was just as stupid
E Hines (Guest) April 21st, 2019, 4:25 pm
@Guesticus: I'm not familiar with the rules of D&D, but if the dagger was allowed to be used in concert with the stave, that's not all bad. In any fight, the large weapon--stave or sword--is just for distraction's sake. The kill comes from the dagger.
Still, a rule that limits the weapons rather than leaving it up to the fighter's choice, is...stupid.
Eric Hines
Guesticus (Guest) April 23rd, 2019, 10:26 am
@E Hines: admittedly, a mage's primary 'weapon' were their spells, butt when they were limited to just being able to have a few 'memorized' at a time, leaving them to rely on an overgrown stick or a sharp toothpick was stupid
robnot (Guest) April 22nd, 2019, 4:37 pm
not allowed,, an this is a magic user ,, not a fighter.. the dagger is a spell component.. an unless magical, as defense only does 1d4 damage (usually at -1 damage cuz of no training.)
the staff is a large wand.. an NOT used as a staff weapon (bo, quarter staff.)can be used as a defense, but not recommenced.. (if broke magic items tend to explode.!!)
finally,, armor,, rules listed ANY armor.. non magical (an most of the magic armor, unless special rules met...)
Guest April 23rd, 2019, 10:29 am
@robnot: hardened leather is non magical, and can be secured without any metal (to get past yet another stupid rule about metal interfering with spells)
robnot (Guest) April 24th, 2019, 10:19 am
@Guest: again i agree.. BUT rule book says.... and it includes padded cloth (like a Gambeson)..
so. to get around that,, i have them take non metal armor to a mage shop,, an cast a permanent self cleaning cantrip on it (1g) ..
Guesticus (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 3:36 am
@robnot: wait, the armour has to be magical? o_O
And, most times, the rules are meant to be guidelines rather than solid unchanging Commandments
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 1:05 pm
@Guesticus: for magic users. YES.! .. an yes i have a "rules lawyer" clause.. IF at any time Any one quotes a rule, ALL party members Have to follow All rules as they are written after that.!!
robnot (Guest) April 22nd, 2019, 4:54 pm
just to clarify,, i made a joke about D&D.. not about how Merceneiress runs his world..
an at Guesticus.: i agree,, give em some thing more than a bath i under stand that most if mage life is studies,, but if they want to learn a weapon (as a last resort.) , i'm all for that too..
Guesticus (Guest) April 23rd, 2019, 10:36 am
@robnot: not expecting them to be a master with a sword or anything, butt an hour a day every other day should be enough for them to at least know how to use it well it
Heck, Gandalf used a sword quite regularly, and was very proficient in its usage
robnot (Guest) April 24th, 2019, 10:28 am
@Guesticus: Yes.! proof in concept.. i do medieval recreations 2 if not 3 times a week,. a year ago a gal joined (with no training.) she trains once a week, for about 2 hours.. now she is a combat squire, getting ready to take her first level combat knighting.!!
Merceneiress April 24th, 2019, 10:45 am
@robnot: That's awesome! That doesn't sound easy to do (medieval recreations)!
Guesticus (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 3:34 am
@robnot: sometimes, they are called 'Battle Mages' (or 'Battle Priests' if they are clerics)
Recreationists sound fun, as long as you don't get the ones who insist on everything being 110% completely authentic (including what type of undergarments were, or were not, worn)

Have always wanted to do something like that, weapon of choice for me would be a pair of two-foot long fighting sticks (whatever you want to call them), may not do as much damage as a sword, butt they will still hurt like heck and not even full plate armour will save the target :D
Not sure if the sticks would be made of hardened wood or metal, butt would probably add a length of sharpened metal (like an oversized razor-blade) at the ends for when a little slicing is called for >:}
Merceneiress April 25th, 2019, 12:51 pm
@Guesticus: Hmm... like ninja sticks but bigger? --- adding a blade to each would be deadly in stealth situations to stab in vulnerable areas. If they have a handle that allows you to hold them on each of your forearms you could use your forearms to block. But if opponent is fully armored, might be difficult to best them unless you can get close and stab them in a vulnerable spot.
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 1:52 pm
@Merceneiress: Tonfa,, thats what you are describing, also known as PR-24 knightstick..
wish i could post photos here,, show you what mine look like...
Guesticus (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 7:27 pm
@Merceneiress: no, not a blade at the tip to poke, more like a length of blade recessed into the 'body' of the weapon to slash if need be: one side is just blunt-force damage, the either side is for slashing (either exposed flesh or material like ties and buckles)
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 1:32 pm
@Guesticus: escrima or asp folding baton,, an no, useless on full plate.! plate was proof against all conventional weapons,, you needed big heavy weapons (maces, pike ax, or lance) to crush the armor (immobilize) then some how get a pokey (blade) in the neck joint.. to give you an idea on my armor, a baseball bat or regular sword , hit all day all you do is get my attention (oh an it's proof against handguns (( took to range an tested,,)) on a test dummy..)
Guesticus (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 7:31 pm
@robnot: ever get smacked in the head while wearing a steel bucket?
And even the most solid suit of armour has vulnerable points, like the armpits
It's about knowing what your weapon is capable of, most people tend to favour the sword because you don't have to think as much (not saying all think that way, or that using a sword effectively doesn't take skill, just saying that different weapons requires a different way of fighting, same with when it comes to how your opponent is, or is not, armoured)

As for proof against fire-arms, you wouldn't happen to be using modern metal, would you? Because the medieval armour was not proof against even the proto-firearms (it's why you saw the end of plated knights at the time you saw the rise in firearm usage: slow moving 'tanks' that were vulnerable from a distance)
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 9:40 pm
@Guesticus: helmet,, all the time.. wonderful invention, padding.. my is well padded that i barely feel a major hit..
armor weak spots, you were talking bout hitting it with sticks, even if you hit a weak joint, my under armor(gambeson)will absorb the hit ,, an pointy things,, i have full chainmail..
Guesticus (Guest) April 26th, 2019, 7:43 am
@robnot: guessing your helmet is fully secure via straps? No risk of it being battered out of position?
And did say wasn't sure if the sticks would be made out of wood or metal, and, no offense, butt don't care how much padding you are using, you will feel it (if not hear it) when someone goes full-on Nicko McBrain on your brain-pan
Trained knights have been beaten after someone trained goes for the joints
Even if just one of your straps gets cut, that will reduce your defensive effectiveness, making all that delicious metal a hindrance to you
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 9:58 pm
@Guesticus: fire arms .. first ,, i sed Handguns... second,, mostly a myth ,. fire arms were not used till late 15th century.. (cannons yes , rifles no..)
after the crusades,, it was not cost effective to train an equip a 1000 knights,, where as at half that price you could poorly (basic) equip 10 thousand.. also the "Knight" expected to be paid in land titles an other expensive things, an ransomed of he lost.. the grunt,, got basic pay, if he lived..
Guesticus (Guest) April 26th, 2019, 7:50 am
@robnot: and that's where we are diverging: you are talking about modern armoured fighting, using modern steel (or equivalent) whereas personally talking about using authentic period-metal (which had trouble even protecting against long- and cross-bow attacks)

Let's talk about the 'modern' version of an armoured knight: in a recent episode of NCIS:LA, they went up against a heist-man using a prototype of the latest 'battle suit', while he was able to shrug off everything thrown at him, hits to the head did stagger him, if they had only just concentrated fire on his head rather than stupidly going for his extremely heavily-protected chest, he would have gone down quickly. As it was, it was enough of a distraction for Sam to get close enough to put a few rounds up through the gap between his head and chest
robnot (Guest) April 26th, 2019, 3:18 pm
@Guesticus: umm no i was talking bout old finely made armor,, which would to this day stop long/cross bow arrows..
an you just proved my point, as to why "knights" went away.. 10 people kept him busy till one could put a pointy in a joint.!! but till then they weren't hurting him...
an my armor, your sticks, metal or otherwise are not gonna ring my bell,, now like i said, move up to a war mace or other really big club , then yeah im going down.!! thats what they were designed for...
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 1:37 pm
@Guesticus: was talking D&D,, don't have battle mage.. well maybe they do,, but i only have up to 3rd edition.. if we want to play a class outside the basic 4.. they we play another system (like rolemaster)
robnot (Guest) April 25th, 2019, 1:41 pm
@Guesticus: oh yeah,, battle priest = Paladin.. warrior of the church..


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